Not a single person who has talked about this has argued that point. Yes, that withdrawals were made. I know the graphs come from deLuca…that’s why I mentioned him in every single post here. And I think we’ll see justice done. They also released the TR:3075, their are some interesting designs in there. – people only quit/left in March this year Catalyst Game Labs. Franks initial claim that $850k is borne out if you simply look at the graph and add the two biggest numbers on there together. The six person department at my company makes more than Catalyst does in a year and we watch even cent.". “Wishing there was another side” isn’t “fair and balanced.”. Legalities matter. I certainly hope you are not portraying this as impartial news and not an unbiased report? What I care about is seeing freelancers get paid and customers get product they preordered. ( Log Out /  The official store for games such as BattleTech, Shadowrun, Dragonfire, Leviathans, Valiant Universe, Cosmic Patrol as well as other card, dice, and tabletop games. If it's the cryptozoologist Coleman, who knows. But when the context of the numbers has been mentioned, he’s never explained. I’m guessing you didn’t work on BT during your freelancer tenure, that’s for sure. Paperback $39.99 $ 39. It's crazy how easy it is to do that. Again, no context. Tag Archives: releases Catalyst, Release Dates, Shadowrun Preview the Lineup of Shadowrun, Sixth Edition Rulebooks, Sourcebooks and Game Aids! Shiiiiiit. It is roughly 40% of Catalyst's entire sales for last year, missing over a three year period. One of their founders/ managers/ owners embezzled millions of dollars from the company without the current CEO, Randall, realizing it. We don't come here because we like each other. probably not a good example, as he’s a cop in his day job, and writes largely for fun, and as stress release. Examine the graphs and explain how he got $726k from the Colemans’ individual draws? Voor alle betekenissen van CGL klikt u op "meer ". Things have progressed very slowly. Can you really see any other company (rather than group of fans – which is basically what CGL was) want to take these cursed IPs onboard? Maybe not all of it, but at least some of it – which calls the veracity of the other parts into question. As of 3:21 pm today, Catalyst Game Labs transferred ownership of all remaining CthulhuTech and Poo inventory to WildFire, the legal copyright holder of both properties. About Catalyst Game Labs. Yeah, there’s a lot of chronic ill treatment of freelancers out there. Catalyst Game Labs. As much as I feel for the freelancers – say all the accusations are true, then Bills and the other owners are the ones that have been injured the most (financially). Wow. My question to him is simple: what does somebody who disagrees with Frank Trollman and him have to do to be a reputable source? Catalyst Game Labs. They’d be stupid to do so. waht thay were doing was puting out the pdf downlaod for a few months hopeing that would bring in enough cash to pay for the pritning, and the freelancers first half >>. News broke on Tuesday that Catalyst Game Labs, publisher of Shadowrun, Eclipse Phase, Cthulhutech, and Battletech, is in severe trouble to the tune of $850,000 being embezzled from their corporate coffers. So what you’re saying is “yeah, they probably did some of it, but maybe not all of it, and so I guess it evens out?”. We learned that over the past several years the company has achieved dramatic growth in terms of demand, increased total revenues and strong sales with an increasing market share in the gaming industry, despite a lackluster economy. fanpro wiz kids , to catalyst its the same people doing the same shit over and over , thay arent shy about telling it either. Looking at the court docs, I find it both disheartening and surprising that Wildfire LLC is claiming after already stating they’d made an arrangement. But you’ve been given access to thousands of dollars worth of obscure pdfs, and you have a physical copy of the book with your name on it. General McClellan and I are not denying that there is money missing or that something fishy went down. T-Rex Studios. Posted on October 28, 2020 by Randall Bills. The cachet of being a writer on the forums loses it’s shiny factor. It’s not just Dumpshock, it’s RPG.net and many of the other ones. That resulted in the near collapse of the company and many, many freelancers not getting paid and eventually quitting. Every person that justifies activities like this FUCKING DESERVES IT when they get jacked by, oh for example, the global economy collapsing because of similar unethical activities on Wall Street. No, the facts themselves are pretty much set. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Throughout this entire debate I’ve tried to point out that Frank is irrelevant; had it not been him, it would have been someone else. this is what will happen if thay are able to keep the licneses and even if thay cant thay will keep oign with the other propertiys , thay will change their name an dit will agean be the same people and a few years form now some ones going to accidently end up with a shit ton of money in the bank account . if thay hired people with no intent to pay them , thay should be held responsable . Jim Shipman of Outlaw Press, did during his own scandal, Here’s graphs about $726k in pure cash draws from Coleman, says she quit Catalyst “after being asked by Loren Coleman to falsify royalty reports to Topps”, Reavers on the Seas of Fate, Season Five, Sixteenth Session, Reavers on the Seas of Fate, Season Five, Fifteenth Session, Worlds in a Handful of Dice, by NiTessine, Canonfire!, The World of Greyhawk on the Web. And in the comments, there’s not actually a WordPress spell-checker, but if you have a spell-checker built into your browser it works. General McClellan has clearly demonstrated that the sum total was not 726. And if you think they will from a bankruptcy your ABSOLUTELY wrong. I can confirm that for some books (specifics I can't give, the NDA is very strict), many of the errors that were caught and fixed by the proofreaders somehow still made it into the final print. We still have folks who are holding on until the very last. He was playing the part of a reclusive romance writer and was standing in the office of his publisher when he was approached by the receptionist, who gushed over him, complimenting him and making Jack quite uncomfortable. Weisman (not Wiseman) is pretty good at bringing in venture capital though – he does have a proven track record at taking an idea and making a lot of money really quickly. Frank is largely irrelevant, which is why it’s annoying so many of these threads and posts make it about him.He can only give us what he’s told. // April 23, 2010 at 10:12 am | Reply. Catalyst Game Labs… Shadowrun Forbidden Arcana. $9.95. What Frank has done is taken the pressure off those “sources” (and as yet we’re not sure if they’re owners, freelancers, or office staff – which *is* important) by being the focal point. But it must be pointed out that deLuca’s graph just shows numbers, and doesn’t say what those numbers are for. Geez, if you go click on any of these threads and read the statements by people who used to work for Catalyst, people who still work for Catalyst, and former business partners of Catalyst, no one’s coming out and denying any of it. For him, the money *is* gravy. Because it brings into question how much of that $500k was actually stolen, how much was bad business practices, and how much was simply legitimate business. and thay still owe me and many people i know money. thay could have kept the art directer the truth is likely in between the two extremes. Battletech is my favourite property, I've only recently convinced my FLGS that it is still being made, now this shit happens. thay use the same tactics same speaches, i cant speak about post human i have no idea really, sucsk cuz thease are all quality games and qulaity books , but run by total pricks , or total idiots or a combination of boath. Hosting an adult game night is super fun. I am just trying to ask a simple question, can a person disagree with his opinion on this and still have a valid point of view, and if so, what can that person(s) do to provide evidence to support that viewpoint? You’re responding to everything with “dude stole a fuckload of money,” which isn’t proven and utterly destructive to having a meaningful discussion about this. ADD TO WISHLIST > PDF. All the whiny over-modded forums where people get banned for telling other people things like “you’re not intelligent” are snooty. He has belittled and ignored every opinion and statement of facts that disrupts his viewpoint of the situation. )criminal activity” Smith and Tinker would step in because this is Wiseman’s baby, but equally because the properties are profitable. – deLuca’s graph was for cumulative draws totals at $726k; which + the $120k of convention monies (which no one other than Frank and his “sources” has mentioned) = the $850k mark. I would personally like to take a crack at Leviathan. FREE Shipping by Amazon. I’m just sick of being half truths being reported as fact – by both sides. the only illegal thing is the tax fraud, and honestly, if you’re going to have an ethical issue with that enough to quit, you’d damned well have enough ethics to report it to the IRS, not make the statement on a fan-run message board. Yeah my favorite is “But they sent that email detailing their illegal activity in confidence! Catalyst basically cops to a lot of it (the embezzlement) in their press release. But he’s not saying much at all. what is interesting is how people are willing to take something at face value when it comes from an admittedly biased source. I know a freelancer or two who are owed $5,000+ (we are talking mortgage payments here) and one of the huge problems with CGL (and many game companies) is they pay 45 days after publication. I’d be surprised if each CGL book had a print run bigger than 10k honestly. This is not because Shadowrun hasn't been selling enough to cover expenses, but merely because a significant quantity of money is missing outright. ... It’s been generally tolerated by the community but the scars left behind by the embezzlement are still visible. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. let me further help you to understand , what ever it is you do for a liveing , what ever it is that you count on to keep food on your table and a roof over your head , i want you to go to work and tell your boss , or tell your clients , that you will work for the next week or 2 weeks or month for free now think about that for a minunt , ok now when you go into work for free for the next week or month or what ever , i want you to tell your clients or boss or who ever , that the reason your workign for free , is because you think the product or service is soo cool that your just soo happy to be a part of it , that you dont care if u can eat tomarrow ,or if u can make your house payment , or fix your car , or keep the lights on . Not sure if there’s been any follow up yet about checks being cashed, and not all money owed has been paid yet. of Shadowrun products. The law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor from stealing bread, begging and sleeping under bridges. The Gaming Den Welcome to the Gaming Den. I’m just saying that: 1. I've read and seen, for some time, all of the negative complaints, reviews, etc. R. Talsorian Games is proud to once again offer the map, now as a full-size, 600 dpi image. Its current CEO is Loren L. Coleman, who also has written a number of novels set in the … Catalyst monetary trouble rumor gets official reply the tl;dr version is that this was basically a home business that blew up. What type of dick steals from a game company? This is certainly newsworthy and I will be asking Catalyst about the future of the company at GTS next week, but that is not the … You are nearly incoherent with all your mis-spelling and grammar errors. It isn’t there anymore for that purpose and it appears one of the co-owners was responsible for the money going away. Along with sneak peaks of our other games behind the scenes! Night City Map (Circa 2020) - When it was first released,the Night City sourcebook for Cyberpunk 2020 famously came with a 34x22 inch, fold-out painted map. He was obviously distressed and annoyed by the fact the draws were made – hence the graph. Who did what, that is the issue that Frank brought to light. The march of technology across BattleTech’s eras is relentless—but some BattleMech designs never die. So no one who has put out any evidence surrounding any of this has no proof, since they don’t have that? Because the law is so unlikely to generate a useful result, it’s doubly important for people to know what’s going on and take ethical actions. He trusted others to do that. Sucks for the people who put their lives into this, though. If he did work for BT, it must have been a nightmare to edit his work. Besides the owners stealing an assload of money (check the detailed data/graphs on the RPGSite!, originally from RPG.net, and originating with a Catalyst co-owner named Phil DeLuca) They asked freelancers to lie about financials (see them give details at Dumpshock), aren’t paying freelancers despite selling their wares (and more at Fear the Boot)…  And haven’t been paying royalties, this has resulted in Cthulhutech (WildFire) and Eclipse Phase (Posthuman) being yanked from them (CGL was publishing those games too). the company demonstrates a willingness to commit fraud , and has desplayed a pattern of it over time , streaching back to its previous incarnations . I hope they all get laid off for economic reasons and get to taste the consequences of destroying the notion of personal responsibility. R. Talsorian Games is proud to once again offer the map, now as a full-size, 600 dpi image. Its current CEO is Loren L. Coleman, who also has written a number of novels set in the BattleTech Expanded Universe. If anyone and everyone who stands up for Catalyst, or at the very least doesn’t immediately jump on the Catalyst Lynching Bandwagon, is some sort of naive, moronic, company hack, then there is really no point to continuing to read this discussion. If the facts posted are wrong, outright say so, not some cryptic “things are not as they seem” type posts. Here’s graphs about $726k in pure cash draws from Coleman (besides other income gone missing) that came directly from the desk of co-owner Phil De Luca, who says they’re legit. by Catalyst Game Labs | Apr 4, 2019. That's one of the worst things that I have ever heard, gaming-wise. If Coleman did steal then he stole from people he knew, and people he knew didn't have a lot of money. I’m simply stating that your frothing at the mouth and spouting of facts not proven is asinine and wrong. -“Summary: Loren Coleman and his wife appear to have stolen about a million dollars” (funny how the numbers don’t matter after this quote is blown out of the water but they mattered when the quote was made) There don’t seem to be very many other paths for egos like that. What could possibly be more fun? yes randall very friendly , every one that you deal with is very frendly and happy about working on thease games , untill you ask about your mony , then its all ignore , evade , and redirect . Can a court case not close if there’s anything left unclear? you have me currious , where is this built in spell checker ? -“Besides the owners stealing an assload of money” so you send emaisl, and the guys on the otehr end dutifully send it up the chain, fully believing you should get paid. Mainly because I doubt CGL sales have been that high that that quantity of money could go bye bye, and the company still pay for manufacturing, printing etc etc. And it’s unclear what you’re arguing against – I haven’t said I know what every single transaction is for. According to him he is owed payments, but he’s not that fussed by it as he’s an international writer (he lives in australia, we went to college together there), and has to wait a month for checks to clear in the first place – so he stockpiles them until its actually worth it (as he has to pay transaction fees on each check if he deposits them individually; where only one fee if he does a bunch – something to do with how the Ozzie banks works). It’s confirmed by multiple insiders including big ass charts of data provided by a co-owner. However, of course Coleman hasn’t even been fired let alone had the cops sicced on him. As always, the truth will fall somewhere in the middle. It’s good to be king, apparently. From my understanding, he wasn’t aware of what was happening because he was running the games side of things, not the business side. What of the points that Frank posted have been refuted by anyone? No, you’re just trying to cast doubt by picking at any little thread you can get your hands on, when the overall tapestry is clear for anyone to see. and freelancers are gnna get fucked agean . )criminal activity. u know im a freelancer and worked for thease people , i cant say one way or the other if its true in a leagle sense , but all the rest from exprence is defently true , and its why i stoped working for them after a few runs . Otherwise it might be years before anyone could afford to pony up and assume the liabilities. Enjoy millions of the latest Android apps, games, music, movies, TV, books, magazines & more. Contact Us +44 (0)1702 668750. aslo reread what you just wrote , about your friend , its not that he doest care about geting payed , its that he thinks this stratigie will give him the best chance to get payed. You are not a unique and precious snowflake, you are just one more fucking asshole on the internet who presumes themselves to be better than the unwashed masses. If he can show to his investors that he can do it again with SR and BT, I’m sure there’d be a few folks willing to fork out. On the other hand, embezzlement has practically become… Making all this about Trollman is just a dodge. the fact that the two main perpetrators (and afaict Bills’ biggest crime here is turning a blind eye – even Harding’s forum posts have not implicated him – just said that he said if she couldn’t work with Loren then she should leave.) I hope CGL retains their licences, I hope they don’t go under, because I care about their freelancers and I care about customers who have preordered products. So that’s likely a loan that was not so important until Dave left the company. No surprise the mods there are quick with the delete button. As for the forums…well, the BT forum is an official forum. Quick view Compare Pre-Order Now. You have your magical ass of knowledge thinking you have proof. And they would have to like the games very much. If other sites had plenty of good homebrew stuff the Den wouldn't need to exist. Sure Frank is eccentric. Maker of board, miniatures and roleplaying games. now alot of the other people that worked for them too and every single one had the same exprence . Sure, in court it’ll matter the exact down to the dollar amount, not that it’ll ever be possible to really validate every single draw and know whether 1% or 5% of them were legit. I wonder how this affects the non-US freelancers too – including guys like Adam Jury. if thay did this as i described , and did it with the intent to keep the cash and not pay it thats fraud , as thay were workign interstate , and also had guys workign itnernationaly then thay are voilateing sevral laws , state and fedral labor laws , inter state comerce laws , and it might be a streach but wire fraud , if some one pressed it im quite shure some one would end up in jail , and i used that as my levrage to get payed the second time . Publisher at Catalyst Game Labs. Sure. Their website posts no jobs, they haven’t announced any news from themselves since November, their flagship product, the new Mechwarrior game, is still in legal limbo. Catalyst Game Labs Publisher of exciting adventure games including Shadowrun and BattleTech. I’d just like to point out that in the Dumpshock thread freelancers (and outspoken ones at that) have acknowledged getting initial checks from Catalyst to cover payments owed. So it’s been floating around for a while in the CGL backlot. It is definitely unfolding, that’s for sure. Everyone should always stick to the policy “pay me for the previous job before I do the next one.”, haha defently not a copy editor or writer or secretry “:P, ive worked for alot of companys in this and other industrys as a freelancer/or contractor and this one is allmost unexplainable, its very strange to me how consistant it was too , and like i said not just with them but with one of their related companys , its like thay were reading from a script , thay probably had to repeat it so much it was just a script. Catalyst Game Labs Publisher of exciting adventure games including Shadowrun and BattleTech. Your example seems to be typical, unfortunately. Save US$0.89. “We’re not trying to prove there was a crime”, -“Catalyst Games, Defiant Criminals” This article is part of WikiProject Board and table games, an attempt to better organize information in articles related to board games and tabletop games. Dude, if you want anyone to take you seriously, you have to stop using ‘leet’ or text-speak. The march of technology across BattleTech’s eras is relentless—but some BattleMech designs never die. How about Messrs. Coleman and Bills themselves? haven’t said anything (other than Bills’ letter that was leaked – probably with that intention) is most likely due to the fact that if it does go legal, they don’t want to have anything on paper, as it were. Or perhaps even that there is criminal proceedings underway. conversely, he says he never talked to Loren Coleman once – though he did get an email once. edit: JP Sugarbroad is listed as a Software guy on LinkedIn, so it’s either work he did for IMR (like the BattleCorps stuff), or he’s a freelancer in his downtime, Mr Stansel I’m guessing is David’s father, and who ponied up some cash when DSG lost the WK gig. how is it possable that u can work for some one and thay dont pay you and you say ok np wahts the next job ? It helps you and your guests to relax & unwind after a busy week. Until you can tell me what the 19 December 2008 withdrawal was for you don’t have proof of jack shit. As of January 3rd, 2010, WildFire terminated any and all business relations with Catalyst Game Labs, due primarily to non-payment of royalties, in addition to other contractual breaches. Seems like a lot of worrying about whether the theft was of 500k or 726k or 850k or more. All the people reporting malfeasance must be lying! is a blatant attempt to ignore the well-established facts of the case. This is the voice you hear when someone tries to pull what appears to be a fast one and then gets caught. Delays but that's nothing new. Quick view Compare Add to Cart. I think – no, I *know* – he knew their reputation even then. I’ve also tried to point out that those graphs have no context. the reason i didnt disreguard your post ? Shelby, NC. *Sigh*, I guess there’s no point continuing this because you seem unable to read past the first sentence in a response. The problem is that Catalyst's licenses from Topps come up in two months. Whether or not it was criminal or illegal is for a court to decide. Heck, I just accidentally spent $5K fixing a $400 water heater. Catalyst Game Labs announced today that a recent audit revealed some financial irregularities, specifically some missing funds. Shop Target for Catalyst Game Labs Games you will love at great low prices. If Catalyst could win in court against Coleman, which it sounds like they could, there's a chance they could recover most of the money. The Catalyst press release indicates one of the owners caused the issue and is working with the company to rectify the situation.. me “um im not sure how you keep missing this but let me try and put it as simply as possable IF U DONT PAY ME , I WILL NOT WORK FOR U ” “But Trollman says mean things about people on other topics!” “But why won’t Tiger Eyes answer us about those convention receipts?” By continuously trying to use those tricks, people are somehow trying to imply that Coleman DIDN’T take somewhere in the neighborhood of 3/4-1 million dollars from Catalyst and that Bills ISN’T hushing it up and covering for him, both of which are obviously true (though may or may not be against the law due to the habit of not regulating corporations worth a damn). 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