Dr. Laurel Anderson speciality, credentials, practice address, contact phone number and fax are as below. While a diagnosis of Amber was not presentedby Dr Anderson duringJohnny'sdefamation trial in the US, Johnny madethe claim during the UK libel trial against the Sun newspaper that Dr Anderson said thatAmberhas BPD and other personality issues. She reported trying to initiate a fight with him one night by slapping him when she was offended by what he said.", Then in the last sentence: It was also at this time that she showed me photos of her injuries. When did Miss Heard show you photos of her alleged injuries?, Well, to the best of my pulling together the information I wrote down, I'm saying it was right after that fight. Laurel B. Yates, MD, MPH. But I'm also copying down a word here and there. Dr Anderson didn't testify in person during the defamation trial. So what did you mean?Dr Anderson (41:39)"That was her asking me. Los Angeles, CA. excusing her violence as reactionary (32:44) (34:53) (45:57) (52:29)(52:49) (53:42). "It's a treatment summary. The third step is I show my hand, I talk about it. This session was discussed during testimony. Mr. Depp told you Amber gave as good as she got, correct?. This testimony begins with a reference to Dr Anderson's treatment summary. Dr. Laurel Rene Anderson-Cowell, MD Allergist Portland, OR In-person visits Book an appointment for free What's your insurance plan? I think I'm quoting some of this is just my typing of the words he's using while he's talking. I know she led on more than one occasion and started it to keep him with herbecause abandonment and having him leave was her worst nightmare. Jan 13, 2016 -- This session was discussed during testimony. Business mailing address can be used for mailing purpose only, for visiting purpose patients need to refer above mentioned address. Any underlining that appears in the transcript excerpts is added by me to draw attention to that portion. Phone. And I want to ask you about that one paragraph. Dr Anderson (40:59), Question (42:33) Directing your attention to the last snippet from that session. Transcript of Dr Anderson's Trial Testimony, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard's Therapy Sessions, Background for the Couple's Counseling with Dr Anderson, The Significance of the Starting Date For Counseling, Dr Anderson Noted that Amber Dominated the Joint Appointments, Johnny Accuses Amber of Physical Abuse But Isn't Supported in Session, DV Discussion (Or Lack There Of) in Appointments after Johnny's Accusation that Amber Hit Him, Johnny May Not Have Known that Amber Was Talking DV With Dr Anderson, In Individual Sessions, Amber Admits Hitting Johnny, Analyzing the Excuses for Amber's Violence, Dec 15, 2015: Amber Asks Dr Anderson If She Would Have a Divorce Advantage If She Files a DV Accusation with Police First, Dec 17th, Amber Shows Dr Anderson Bruises, Dr Laurel Anderson Testimony Transcript Excerpts re Counseling Sessions, Marriage Counselor, Dr Laurel Anderson Testimony, Johnny Depp v Amber Heard Def Trial. AndI think he may have initiated it on occasions, too, that I'm less sure on.. The second introduction wasSeptember 9, 2015. 2. Find a doctor near you. She had rapid fire talking.Question (31:22), Did she interrupt him during your other sessions that are reflected in plaintiff's exhibit 2?Dr Anderson (31:30), Yes. ", He hits her. I wasn't looking to memorize it. In her intake individual session after the 1st couple's appointment, Amber admits to hitting Johnny, including initiating physical violence on occasion, but says Johnny hit her first: So when she said in terms of physical abuse that he hits her, a no close fist means an open hand slap to me. Looking insidethe therapy this couple receivedcan provide valuable insight to the general public, therapists, and others in the helping professions. Correct? She had rapid fire talking., I pointed out the process to her at some point, and she got it thatno one could actually have a decent dialogue with her if she was rapid firing and talking over and just barraging. Did you ask what Mr. Depp meant by gave as good as she got? 13. She can't let him talk -- is my recollection. Please enter a valid 5-digit Zip Code. And the second one is what she reported to me, which is if he was going to leave her to deescalate from the fight, she would strike him to keep him there. Huge fight. Will she have advantage if she leaves him but files with police for abuse first? Was that a question that she asked you?Dr Anderson (42:52)Yes. She goes to show her pictures and in-person bruises on her face. They have also lived in Columbus, OH and Dallas, TX. (It's possible that it came up and we just don't know about it, but the lack of testimony about these sessions points toward them being about subjects other than DV.). "Question (41:45)"Then you write doesn't want to divorce. Ms. And this refers to a session that was just you and Ms. Heard, correct?Dr Anderson (57:42), And this call, which was just between you and Ms. Heard and not Mr. Depp involved, that occurred on or about December 15, 2015?Dr Anderson (57:54)Yes.Question(57:55), And was it just shortly after that call when Ms. Heard showed you pictures and actually came into your office, is that right?Dr Anderson (58:06), She came in on 12/17, so yes.Question(58:09), So Ms. Herd came in on December 17 and you saw bruises on her face, is that correct?Dr Anderson (58:18), Was that bruising that you observed similar to the bruising that appeared on the photographs that she showed you?Dr Anderson (58:32), You testified that what you saw in person was similar to what you saw in the photographs Amber gave you, correct?Dr Anderson (58:41), When she came into your office on December 17, what did her face look like?Dr Anderson (58:50), What I recall is not purple, green and blue, but just a darkening, so kind of a darker gray-blue sort of thing. Some time around the London libel trial in the UK, Johnny saidthat Amber was angry in Australia about his desire for a post-nuptial agreement and threw a liquor bottle at himsmashing his hand on the counter and cutting off his finger tip. And I've already said what it was. She threw can at him since home fighting. This was her talking out loud, trying to strategize for herself., A few minutes later in Dr Anderson's testimony, they are discussing her Treatment Summary where Dr Anderson describesthis slap of Johnny as Amber "trying to initiate a fight." No Yes Select an available time 9701 SW Barnes Rd, Suite 130, Portland, OR 97225 Wed Jan 18 Thu Jan 19 Fri Jan 20 9:35 am 10:00 am 10:05 am I agreed., What did you understand, Mr. Depp to mean?, She initiated fights. From Dr Anderson's testimony about the 1st session: When Mr. Depp told you that Amber hit him in the jaw, did Amber respond in any way? ], I think it is important that people recognize that reasons for behavior don't excuse behavior. Mr. Depp's mother was in ICU. Please note: comments must be approved before they are published. 1-Depp v. Heard: Johnny Depp Opening Statement . Why she didnt ask for more single sessions with Mr. Depp to safely get his version of their fights? This content is not available in your current region. . Its the only thing in this clinical session that apparently was about physical abuse or else it would not have been redacted out. During her testimony below, she is looking at an exhibit created from her therapy session notes. . Check with the applicable school district prior to making a decision based on these boundaries. "Dr Anderson (51:57), "Of course. Women's violence against men is often excused away. He couldn't keep up with her rapid fire way of conversation. Additionally, she offered some impressions of the couple's relationship and behaviors. "Question, "And the him whom she threw acan at. May 27, 2016: When Johnny did not agree to her financial demands, she filed for an emergency ex-parte Request for Restraining Order even though he is not in the state and will not be back for an extended period of time. She works in Portland, OR and 1 other location and specializes in. If Dr Anderson assessed that as a possibility, it could explain her not forcing the issue in this 1st session. From Dr Anderson's testimony about her Treatment Summary: And how did you come to the understanding that on some occasions Miss Heard physically abused Mr. Depp?Dr Anderson (16:11), Miss Heard reported that.Question (16:12), What did Miss Heard report to you?Dr Anderson (16:15). Only men abuse women: therefore partner abuse cannot be mutual. As you already pointed out, I really cannot understand how Dr. Anderson came to the mutual abuse conclusion when she mostly got Ms. Heards version of things. She says that she thinks Mr Depp meant or thinks Mr. Depp instigated some of the violence etc. That it was a point of pride. You remember seeing the bruises under Amber's eyes?, That's what I recall. ", "She initiated that one because I think she felt demeaned and threatened." Its good to hear that you found the post interesting and helpful. Was chaotic violence, but gave as good as she got. What does that mean? Its the only thing in this clinical session that apparently was about physical abuse or else it would not have been redacted out. I went through all of my notes, and I wrote this treatment summary. Andshe slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman." She doesn't go to see her for a session. "Dr Anderson (40:59), right below what we were just talking about in red. Did she deny it? Theretends to be a lot of shame around the idea that they are being abused and apprehension that they will be believed. Let's take a look at some of the reasons/excuses mentioned above. But I don't have a photo of it. InGender Inclusive Treatment of Intimate Partner Abuse: A Comprehensive Approach, John Hamelputs forward "questions to ponder in assessing mutuality: How repetitive or excessive are the physical assaults? And when left alone to speak, he can describe intelligently what's going on. I am experienced in your field and I wholly agree with your insights into the pathologies that are driving this defamation. Who slapped who?Dr Anderson (40:01), "I actually know what happened. Dr Andersontestifiedthat Amber says she hits Johnny "to keep him there," but from the recording weknow that Johnnyhas a pattern of leaving when Amber gets physical. -Ann. No closed fist. His mother is dead at this point. Superior Court Judge Stanley M. Weisberg sentenced Lyle Menendez, now 28, and Erik Menendez, 26, to life in prison. Domestic violence charges had already been made. That's kind of a direct quote. The probability that DV wasn't discussed in joint sessions other than the one squashed mention of it in the first session is supported by this testimony: "When we were going through Amber's, the incidents where Amber described Mr. Depp being violent, Mr. Depp was not present. Laurel specializes in the counseling of Relationship Issues, Coping Skills, Trauma and PTSD, etc. Or at least I thought somewhere around the time she got the injuries. But that doesn't fit with Amber "interrupted him," "He says no more about what she says about him," and "She can't let him talk.". But I'm also copying down a word here and there. I don't remember that well., Is that, Dr. Anderson, consistent with your understanding that there were no other entries on December 15 or December 17 relating to physical abuse?, There was nothing about physical abuse. Dr. Laurel Anderson, a clinical psychologist based in Los. There does not seem to be session notes to back up her summary regarding seeing Amber's bruises and pictures of bruising. I don't think she denied it, but what I believe from my notes was that she galloped off in a new direction, Did she interrupt him during your other sessions. The former couple started dating after meeting on the set of the 2011 film The Rum Diary, and married in Los Angeles in February 2015. It was a process issue.. Dr. Laurel Anderson is a Los Angeles, California based psychologist who is specialized in Clinical Psychology. The second thing and the way I work is during the intake process. When considering for yourself what he might have meant, keep in mind that DV does not seem to have been the focus of their couple's sessions so he might not have been thinking violence when he made the statement. She rose to the challenge if he started first, which in my opinion, that had been established throughout the relationship, that she fought as hard as he did. I think there's other data that will support this. So here we have Dr Anderson testifying that she saw bruising on Amber's face the day after Amber told her that shehit Johnny because he was "talking incoherently" and asked her if she would have an advantage in divorce if she first called police to file a DV report against Johnny. And so is it your testimony that she showed you photos of her injuries shortly after the alleged event.Dr Anderson (55:45), Somewhere in the period while she still had injuries. 1. How frequent and severe is the nonphysical abuse?". (More on the details later.). We'll leave it to you two to arrange a time.. In E. A. Bates & J. C. Taylor (Eds.) Did they come from Johnny hitting her after she hit him? You recall that testimony?Dr Anderson (01:00:16), And you were making motions with your fingers.Dr Anderson (01:00:20), But I was saying multiple I'm not saying one.Question (01:00:23), Right. And if she's triggered, she would hit him first.. Then last night, Monday, she slapped him as he sat there talking incoherently. "Dr Anderson (41:55)"She loved him. My notes are jumbly. After Johnny told Amber that he was divorcing her in May 2016, Amberdid several things: May 21, 2016: She called the police and accused Johnny of DVwhen he was at the penthouse to pick up a few belongings (he had moved out of the penthouse a month before) before leaving the country for a couple of months for work. Dr. Anderson's office is located at 9911 W Pico Blvd # 1070, Los Angeles, CA 90035. The recording includes many admissions of violence by Amber and demonstrates her abusive tone, attitude, and manipulations. Even though Dr Anderson clearlyrecognized Amber's abusive way of talking to Johnny and accepted that Amber sometimes initiated physical violence against him (as Amber told her on more than one occasion), Dr Anderson's opinion of what went on in the marriage was potentially distorted by Amber being given free reign to plant her unchecked anti-Johnny narrative: accusing Johnny of hitting her first (32:34), and. NPI number stands for National Provider Identifier which is a unique 10-digit identification number issued to health care providers in the United States by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). OVERVIEW; PHYSICIANS AT THIS PRACTICE ; OVERVIEW ; Depp.) Andshe says that she hits back and now she starts it and sometimes hits him firstbecause her history is having been violated by her father physically and just out of pride, a lot of things trigger her. Our website services, content, and products are for informational purposes only. Amber emailed Dr Anderson on Sept 27, 2015: Hi, Laurel. And so she was reporting on that.Question (45:57), Then you write: He got aggressive, threatening, didn't touch him, hid in bathroom. What were you referring to there?Dr Anderson (46:09), What she reported to me, which was an improvement that she didn't participate.Question (46:22), So is it fair to say that she told you she did not hit him at that time?, Yes, that's what I believe my notes say. The DV community's rejection of the idea of mutual abuse is grounded in their belief that DV is caused by patriarchy. (It would not be unusual for a DV victim to initially turn attention away from publicly shaming their partner and then tell the truth later. Im wondering if Dr. Anderson knew about the apparent diagnosis or diagnosed it herself during the time she worked with Ms. Heard, because if either of that is the case Im left wondering why she believed Ms. Heards versions without seemingly double checking? Times given in brackets throughout represent the time on the transcript. About an inch. Question(59:44), So is it fair to say those are small bruises in more than one place? I think while he's talking, and I'm not trying to be obtrusive with my taking notes. Half the scenarioshad a husband who was aggressive and half had a wife who was aggressive. Avideo deposition of Dr Laurel Anderson, Johnny Depp and Amber Heard's couples' therapist, was presented during Johnny's WaPo article defamation trial on April 14, 2022. Why is it So Hard To Recognize Abuse OF Men BY Women as a Problem? 200 Medical Plaza Suite 420 Los Angeles, California 90095. Then last night, Monday, she slapped him as he sat there talking incoherently., "This wasMs. Heard talking on the phone to me. Always consult a medical provider for diagnosis and treatment. And I just want to focus on the one snippet on base, page three. "Dr Anderson (52:02), "It's a treatment summary. The way that this practice played out for this couple provides an example of how it can backfire.). On island, started to get into something. What were you referring to there?Dr Anderson (45:40)Well, Christmas had occurred, and the goal was they had a lot of people going to his island and they were going to be together. She was describing kind of the progression of the physical violence.Question (34:46), Did you have any understanding of what she meant when she admitted that she socks Mr. Depp?Dr Anderson (34:53), Yes, because there were three lines above this that explained the progression a bit. And I just want to focus on the one snippet on base, page three. His mother is dead at this point. Dr. Richard Gilbert. I'll include the testimony pertaining to this reported statement below. I know she led on more than one occasion and started it to keep him with her, tried to deescalate far more than I think she did.(01:02:36). Discussions of the noted sessions appear in the transcript later in this post. There is no evidence that the topic of DV comes up in theindividual intake session that Dr Anderson had with Johnny alone. I know she came in in person to show me., Did she show you photos or did she show you both? she slapped him because he was being incoherent in talking about being with another woman. 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